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Pastor to burn Koran

by beksbks in

us pastor says will burn koran despite petraeus concernshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100907/pl_afp/afghanistanunrestusreligionislampastor.

tue sep 7, 9:21 am et end .byline washington (afp) the pastor of a small florida church said tuesday he will go ahead with his plans to hold a koran burning this week, despite warnings by the us commander of the afghan war of violent reactions in the islamic world.terry jones, who heads the dove world outreach center in gainesville florida, said he had given "serious" consideration to the concerns expressed by general david petraeus over plans to torch a koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks, but said he would proceed anyway.. "we are taking the general's words very serious.

we are continuing to pray about the action on september 11th," he said.. nevertheless, he said "we have firmly made up our mind" to go ahead with burning the muslim holy book.. "i mean, how long, when does america stand for truth?

Dark Side

Dark,

You are gonna be in soooo much trouble with Justithia......

Yeah. He/she will most likely pound me into submission with some really brusque name-calling

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Pastor to burn Koran

by beksbks in

us pastor says will burn koran despite petraeus concernshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100907/pl_afp/afghanistanunrestusreligionislampastor.

tue sep 7, 9:21 am et end .byline washington (afp) the pastor of a small florida church said tuesday he will go ahead with his plans to hold a koran burning this week, despite warnings by the us commander of the afghan war of violent reactions in the islamic world.terry jones, who heads the dove world outreach center in gainesville florida, said he had given "serious" consideration to the concerns expressed by general david petraeus over plans to torch a koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks, but said he would proceed anyway.. "we are taking the general's words very serious.

we are continuing to pray about the action on september 11th," he said.. nevertheless, he said "we have firmly made up our mind" to go ahead with burning the muslim holy book.. "i mean, how long, when does america stand for truth?

Dark Side

The following are excerpts from an interview with Robert Spencer by Jamie Glazov, editor of Frontpage Magazine

Robert Spencer is the author of nine books on Islam and Jihad, a weekly columnist for Human Events and Frontpagemag.com, and has led numerous seminars for the U.S. military and intelligence communities. He is the author of the new book, The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran.

http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/07/the-complete-infidels-guide-to-the-koran-by-jamie-glazov/

FP: Tell us how and why political correctness has made it almost impossible to discuss what is really in the Koran and in other Islamic texts.

Spencer: Political correctness would have us believe that the Koran is a book of peace, and that anyone who says otherwise is “bigoted,” “hateful,” and “Islamophobic.” But is it, really? What the Koran really says can easily be verified. If the Koran really curses Jews and Christians (9:30) and calls for warfare against them in order to bring about their subjugation (9:29), it is not “Islamophobic” to forewarn Infidels by pointing this out. It is simply a fact. And it should go without saying that it is not a fact that should move any reader of my book to hate anyone. The fact that the Koran counsels warfare against unbelievers should move readers to act in defense of freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the legal equality of all people, before it is too late.

FP: How does the misinterpretation of what the Koran and other Muslim texts teach endanger our security?

Spencer: Most Western analysts dogmatically deny that the Koran teaches violence and supremacism. Yet Muslims who believe this comprise a global movement, active from Indonesia to Nigeria and extending into Europe and North America, that is dedicated to waging war against “unbelievers” – that is, non-Muslims – and subjugating them as inferiors under the rule of Islamic law. This movement sees in the Koran its divine mandate to wage that war.

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Yet a huge number of policy decisions are predicated upon the assumption that the Koran teaches peace, and that those who brandish Korans and commit violence are misunderstanding their own religion and perverting the teachings of their own holy book. These include U.S. government postures toward Pakistan and Egypt; immigration matters; airport security procedures; military strategies in Iraq and Afghanistan; domestic anti-terror policies; and our acquiescence to Saudi Arabia’s Islamic proselytizing campaign in America and many other countries.

But most government and media analysts dare not even question the assumption that the Koran is peaceful, for they believe that any insinuation to the contrary is racist, bigoted, and effectively brands all Muslims as terrorists. In other words, they think the implications of the possibility that the Koran teaches warfare against unbelievers are too terrible to even contemplate. Thus, many policymakers simply assume the Koran teaches peace without bothering to study the text. They do this to their own peril – and ours.

FP: What, in your view, is the Koran?

Spencer: It is the primary religious text of one of the world’s most prominent and influential religions. For more than a billion Muslims, the Koran is the unadulterated, pure word of Allah, eternal and perfect, delivered though the angel Gabriel to the prophet Muhammad. For Infidels, it is a threat, a call for their destruction or subjugation. Consequently, every Infidel needs to know what is in it, and plan accordingly to defend himself.

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Pastor to burn Koran

by beksbks in

us pastor says will burn koran despite petraeus concernshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100907/pl_afp/afghanistanunrestusreligionislampastor.

tue sep 7, 9:21 am et end .byline washington (afp) the pastor of a small florida church said tuesday he will go ahead with his plans to hold a koran burning this week, despite warnings by the us commander of the afghan war of violent reactions in the islamic world.terry jones, who heads the dove world outreach center in gainesville florida, said he had given "serious" consideration to the concerns expressed by general david petraeus over plans to torch a koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks, but said he would proceed anyway.. "we are taking the general's words very serious.

we are continuing to pray about the action on september 11th," he said.. nevertheless, he said "we have firmly made up our mind" to go ahead with burning the muslim holy book.. "i mean, how long, when does america stand for truth?

Dark Side

You seem completely unable to grasp one simple fact Woods. We are supposed to be better than this. The Taliban/Muslim Extremists are.............gasp! Extreme!!!! Well, duh. Are we supposed to be gauging our standards by them? I want to know what it is about America that the righties supposedly love so much when they are always trying to bring us down to the lowest levels.

Yes, sometimes you can win over your opponent by being "better" than them and hoping they will rise to your standards

However, in order for that approach to work, your opponent has to have a certain regard and respect for your life, your culture and your belief system. Radical Islam's hatred for the West in general, and America in particular, is deeply entrenched. I don't believe we will ever reach them through apologies and turning the other cheek. I believe they view America's acquiescence as vulnerability and weakness.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire

The video posted above demonstrates this. Here is radical Muslim reaction to just the threat of burning Korans. The match hasn't even been lit - and Reverend Jones has stated he may not even go through with it - yet Islam extremists are calling for the death of Reverend Jones and the death of America by burning our flag and an effigy of Reverend Jones himself

You won't see the same anger, hatred and mob mentality at the Dove World Outreach Church on Saturday

Watch it again. Good luck appealing to this mind-set with apologies and understanding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lne0NoxEoz8

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Pastor to burn Koran

by beksbks in

us pastor says will burn koran despite petraeus concernshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100907/pl_afp/afghanistanunrestusreligionislampastor.

tue sep 7, 9:21 am et end .byline washington (afp) the pastor of a small florida church said tuesday he will go ahead with his plans to hold a koran burning this week, despite warnings by the us commander of the afghan war of violent reactions in the islamic world.terry jones, who heads the dove world outreach center in gainesville florida, said he had given "serious" consideration to the concerns expressed by general david petraeus over plans to torch a koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks, but said he would proceed anyway.. "we are taking the general's words very serious.

we are continuing to pray about the action on september 11th," he said.. nevertheless, he said "we have firmly made up our mind" to go ahead with burning the muslim holy book.. "i mean, how long, when does america stand for truth?

Dark Side

But the motivation - being so eaten up with impotent rage that it doesn't matter who gets hurt and punishing the innocent for the acts of a few - is the same.

An asine comment

Here is an example of Muslim RAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lne0NoxEoz8

Here is an example of Reverend Jones' RAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5aJXvRPjv8

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Pastor to burn Koran

by beksbks in

us pastor says will burn koran despite petraeus concernshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100907/pl_afp/afghanistanunrestusreligionislampastor.

tue sep 7, 9:21 am et end .byline washington (afp) the pastor of a small florida church said tuesday he will go ahead with his plans to hold a koran burning this week, despite warnings by the us commander of the afghan war of violent reactions in the islamic world.terry jones, who heads the dove world outreach center in gainesville florida, said he had given "serious" consideration to the concerns expressed by general david petraeus over plans to torch a koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks, but said he would proceed anyway.. "we are taking the general's words very serious.

we are continuing to pray about the action on september 11th," he said.. nevertheless, he said "we have firmly made up our mind" to go ahead with burning the muslim holy book.. "i mean, how long, when does america stand for truth?

Dark Side

One of those things is not like the other things.

Exactly right. Here's the difference

Reverend Jones is honest and up front about his reasons for burning Korans. He admits that he is doing it to send a message to radical Islam. He understands that it will not promote peace between them and us. And it won't

The promoters of the Muslim center are deceptive and dishonest about their reasons for building the Mosque. They operate under the guise that the center will bring about peace, harmony and bridge-building. It will do the exact oposite

That said, I think the building of the Mosque and the burning of the Koran and both very bad ideas

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Hidden remnants of a life past....

by AK - Jeff in

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friends

as we sat rummaging through old files, clearing the clutter and removing dated receipts, canceled checks, and old employment information, i found them.

in a file, hidden somewhere between the mortgage papers and credit card statements, was a file marked 'theocratic info' or something to that effect.. my wife handed the file to me and asked what i wanted to do with this?

i shuffled through forty or fifty sheets of neatly typed notes, manuscripts, and printed forms.

Dark Side

Good for you.

I'm not sure I would have done the same thing

As much as I hate the WTBTS, I wouldn't be the man I am today without it

It's a part of who I am. I hate it and I'm grateful for it

I always wonder, who I would be today if I had never been raised a JW?

I think it's an issue that all ex-JWs have to confront sooner or later

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Do you think Glenn Beck is starting to form a new religion?

by mkr32208 in

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friends

i'm listening to that idiot on tv and after about 5 seconds it occurs to me.

this is the next scientology.

i'm literally watching the formation of a new and stupid religion.

Dark Side

More like a personality cult.

The Glenn Beckians come from from a variety of denominations, most of which are very similar to each other. They won't change their religion and Beck is not even trying to create an alternative theology, but rather a movement that will spearhead fundamentalism in general.

Of course, it's every bit as dangerous as if it were a new religion.

Link?

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